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Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:17:00 -
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Solo player's don't want to play solo. This game pushes you in that direction. It is the players responsibility to interact with people and that is where the problem lies. There should be more activities that encourage players to play together. Missions, mining and most other activities that aren't pvp related can be achieved solo and there is no point in asking others to do these boring tasks with you. I don't have any interest in chatting up a storm about useless ****. I would rather just get to work.
This is a big part of why people get winded early on playing EvE.
Also, nothing encourages me to get to know people because this game promotes theft, griefing and bad attitudes.
I don't feel safe playing EvE. I don't trust anyone. This is not because I am paranoid or have a hard time trusting people. It's because EvE promotes this and encourages it. It is not logical to play with others who are socially rewarded for abusing, stealing and griefing.
This is an MMO for players who have the pirate mentality. |
Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jayson Kassis wrote:Solo player's don't want to play solo. This game pushes you in that direction. It is the players responsibility to interact with people and that is where the problem lies. There should be more activities that encourage players to play together. Missions, mining and most other activities that aren't pvp related can be achieved solo and there is no point in asking others to do these boring tasks with you. I don't have any interest in chatting up a storm about useless ****. I would rather just get to work.
This is a big part of why people get winded early on playing EvE.
Also, nothing encourages me to get to know people because this game promotes theft, griefing and bad attitudes.
I don't feel safe playing EvE. I don't trust anyone. This is not because I am paranoid or have a hard time trusting people. It's because EvE promotes this and encourages it. It is not logical to play with others who are socially rewarded for abusing, stealing and griefing.
This is an MMO for players who have the pirate mentality. I would disagree with your premises there. EVE absolutely and extremely encourages you not to play solo. The rewards for grouping in EVE are absolutely incredible. Even a small group of relatively low power players can easily accomplish things that the richest 160M SP veteran couldn't even attempt solo. EVE is filled with mechanics that practically beat you over the head and say YOU NEED SOME FRIENDS! WHERE ARE YOUR FRIENDS? There is pretty much a straight line correlation to power, wealth and influence with working effectively with other players. " It is the players responsibility to interact with people and that is where the problem lies" You call it a problem; I call it the central theme of the game. That responsibility is the game. The risks and rewards of that interaction are what it's about. You might as well say that running away from ghosts and eating dots is where the problem lies with PacMan. Take away that interaction and what have you got? The worst PvE of any MMO in existence, and a mildly diverting market sim.
And yet, you see promotions like the power of two. I can easily get a few accounts and accomplish most activities in this game solo.
Just so you know, I am playing this mildly diverting market sim you speak of. I would love to join a corporation and work to improve it but whats the point when I can accomplish this alone without the worry of being stabbed in the back. |
Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:47:00 -
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@ Malcanis
Thank you for introducing me to joining a corporation 101. The point I was making is, why should I join a corporation when I can easily accomplish what most work for in dozens, alone and with a few accounts to back me up without the risk of corp sabotage, infiltration or poor management. There is not a single mechanic in this game that can't be done solo outside of owning space in null sec and incursions. I have heard rumors of people soloing incursions so that may be inaccurate.
Quote:"Look, the vast majority of corps aren't looking for someone to scam or gank, they're looking for active, intelligent sociable members because those are hugely more valuable assets."
Unless the corporation was of communist nature where everyone had to play a part to improve it, I see no benefit in being anyone's asset. I get more and earn more playing alone. I don't mean to sound selfish. Nothing encourages me to meet people in this game or play with others when I can nullify all risk by simply playing alone. |
Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:14:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:This. Despite all that you hear about the difficulty for new players in this game, there's actually more use for them in EVE than WoW. New players can contribute to their corp even when all they have are starter ships and basic skills, because someone will always need an extra scanner/salvager/tackler/hauler versus "level up over the next month, then maybe we'll give you a spot on our raid/arena team."
You're so clueless it hurts. In WoW you depend on others to earn the best gear in the game. There is no alternative. In EvE, you can buy all the best stuff in the game operating solo.
In WoW, you have more things to do at the beginning of the game and at the end of it. The only difference is EvE gives off the illusion that it's more hardcore by making your skills passively increase and making simple chores like trading, mining, or PI networking tedious as possible. I play EvE for those reasons but lets not pretend that EvE players are a more hardcore group. They just have more patients and better attention spans or prefer the sci-fi over the fantasy genre. |
Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
26
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:18:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Forced grouping hasn't worked in any MMO ever.
It's a horribly unnecessary mechanic.
Forced grouping is everywhere in WoW. Not sure if you heard of it but its the most popular MMO in the world. I am not saying its better, but it does force people to interact and that's a very important element in any MMO. It encourages people to get out there and make friends while taking part in group orientated progress.
EvE doesn't encourage interaction for the just and honorable types or those who prefer balance over chaos. There is little incentive for those smart enough to make economic empires in a solo operation without the stress of logistics or liabilities that come with running a player based corporation. As I said before, EvE is a popular choice for those who possess the pirate or predatory mentality because interaction is easy when you have a common purpose. Humans are naturally greedy and it's rare you can find people trust worthy enough to handle your currency. Especially in a game where stealing is acceptable and smiled upon by most veterans.
I doubt you care to see change because you have found comfort in one of the biggest pirate corps in EvE. You don't care to see how change in EvE would help others progress or enjoy their stay more. You only care that your pedestal stays untarnished. |
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